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[edit] Loaded sentence in Declining popularity

***After Fersen's six-week visit was over, the queen reported that she was pregnant in August.*** What is the author of this sentence trying to imply??? During Fersen's six-week visit to Versailles, MA also saw (daily) her husband Louis XVI, and on an almost daily basis, various ministers, Léonard her coiffeur, male family members, male friends, her dog's coiffeur, her confessor, Mique her gardener, maybe even the mailman (why not???) and again, at the risk of repeating myself, and on a daily basis, her husband. Has not that woman been slandered enough in her life time? Disgusted with the turn this supposedly encyclopedic article is taking, un torchon that should be offered for publication to the cheapest of the trash magazines. Frania W. (talk) 20:50, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

You are more than welcome to change the sentence into something appropriate. I am not sure, but I suspect the sentence may be from the original core of the Encyclopedia Britannica 1911 article. Either way it is clearly out of line. --Saddhiyama (talk) 21:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello Saddhiyama! Do not worry, if no one else does it, I shall. However, I am extremely busy right now & will have to wait some time in the middle of the night when it keeps me awake! I have contributed many changes & comments on MA's article & quite a few times swore that I would never touch it again for the reason stated in above statement, but I always go back to it because I hate to see this woman libelled over & over again in some of the most insidious ways. Thank you for taking the time to respond. Cordialement, Frania W. (talk) 21:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Page Protection

I have sometimes noticed that there have been some strange wording changes and things put down that are mainly viewed as un-true. Also I just noticed on the top of the page someone changed it from "Let them eat cake" too "Let them eat pie"???? I changed it back. I never heard "pie" before lol. I think for the readers own good of getting correct info and for the respect of Queen Marie, could someone try and see if they can put the Marie Antoinette page under protection? I would do it myself but am not sure how and don't think I have done enough on wikipedia too be permitted too do this :) Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriskardashian (talk • contribs) 09:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

It is easy, just go to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. However I do not think that the vandalism on this article is higher than normal, and I doubt that they will consider it eligible for protection. Anyway it is nice to see that there are more editors patrolling this article. The articles concerning the French Revolution does seem particularly at risk during school hours of various countries.--Saddhiyama (talk) 09:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Chriskardashian & Saddhiyama: Glad that others are showing concern. Last week I brought Marie Antoinette's article & those related to French royalty - Louis XIV, Louis XVI - to the attention of a colleague asking how to get these articles semi-protected. (Please check my talk page at section Vandalism RE articles on French royalty.) The answer he got from an administrator was negative. However, I would like to point out that the article on Napoléon I has remained semi-protected for months & that more recently the one on Paris has also been put under semi-protection. Maybe if several of us would request that articles on French royalty be semi-protected, we would get more consideration.
Chriskardashian, pie vs cake is an instance of vandalism. The problem is that when a vandal changes only a few words or a date here & there, a good soul follows & corrects instead of reverting, in the process missing several stupidities, the result being that little by little these untruths are included in the article.
Let's get together & insist for semi-protection.
Cordialement, Frania W. (talk) 13:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
A perfect example of what I was explaining above RE correcting vs reverting; going backward:
122.104.154.42 removed a piece of vandalism by 123.243.108.138
previously Chriskardashian had removed the word pie, but had skipped said which was replacing uttered and also drums, guitar and piano replacing harpsichord all put in by 123.243.108.138 - AND WHICH ARE STILL THERE.
This is the problem when one corrects a vandal instead of reverting.
In order to get back to proper text, the whole thing has to be reverted to last version by Oceanblueeyes on 15 June, which I am doing right now.
Frania W. (talk) 13:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I watch and vandalism patrol a lot of articles (especially articles in the Age of Enlightenment topics), and in my experience I very much doubt that page protection would go through. The level of vandalism at the moment is still pretty much the usual level of vandalism on high profile articles. If the vandalism level rises I will naturally support protection. --Saddhiyama (talk) 14:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Saddhiyama, this is the answer we got on our request. We'll keep watching, but what a waste of time! Frania W. (talk) 14:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I will of course keep patrolling this article, but thanks to you (and others) I rarely get to revert vandalism on this one, as you have often been there before me. So at least there are some positive sides to this. --Saddhiyama (talk) 14:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank You all for your response too my question. I just requested for semi-protection, doubt it will go threw lol, I hope it will for the sake of respect for Marie. All this feels like been with the police lol :P

Update: Its been turned down :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriskardashian (talk • contribs) 00:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

You folks may want to consider utilizing WP:TWINKLE, it makes reverting vandalism extremely simple. I've watchlisted this page and will help keep an eye on the vandalism. Protection is usually granted in cases where over 50% of all recent edits are vandalism, I'll also be watching for that. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Chriskardashian & Beeblebrox:
BBB, you say 50% ? From 31 May to today 17 June, out of 37 edits:
  • 13 positive
  • 12 acts of vandalism
  • 12 reverts
which means that for 38 contributions, there were 13 productive against 24 non-productive.
in percentage, it is 1/3 positive against 2/3 negative, as the reverts are wasted energy.
Poor Marie Antoinette! Her husband gets the same treatment. Frania W. (talk) 23:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
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