Talk:Null morpheme

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Zero Derivation with Phrasal Verbs

I feel it would be advantageous to add a section onto either this or the phrasal verbs article concerning how nouns can be derived from verbs and their complements (traditionally referred to as prepositions.)

E.G.

An instance of X-ing – a dust off = an instance of dusting off (Gerund.) From Halo btw.

That which X-es – a look out = one who looks out (Agentive.)

That which is X-ed – a write up = that which is written up (A past passive participle which is nominalized in Latin.)

A point at which something is X-ed – a drop off = a place at which someone or something is dropped off (Locative usage.)

[edit] Zero root morphemes

I do not want to object the whole assumption about the fact that zero root morphemes exist, as I do not have factual material to prove or disprove this.

But I want to claim that the example with the Russian word вы-ну-ть is wrong. In this word -ну- is not a suffix, but a root, with the meaning the same as in Slavic words bearing the meaning close to to take and to have. This old Slavic root has been used in the word имати, няти, but it is preserved in Ukrainian in an idiom не йняти віри, verbatim not to take belief = not to believe.

This I'd like to ask to fix this example of zero root morpheme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamurdoze (talk • contribs) 08:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

In its old form вынять, -ня- indeed was a form of root and still is in the word's imperfect form, вы-ним-ать (compare to принять/принимать, понять/понимать, обнять/обнимать etc.). But in modern language -ну- became a suffix and behaves like a suffix in word formation. Imperative is not выними/выйми but вынь, participle is not вынятый but вынутый etc. Compare to сунуть/сунь/сунутый, плюнуть/плюнь/плюнутый.

See official point of view of the Russian Language Institute: [1]. Abolen (talk) 16:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)