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[edit] Images for the Italian-Austrian alpine front
I notice that the paragraphs about the Italian front is quite lacking in photos. I think that the mountain warfare deserves some pictures: here's the link to a good photo (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2097/1844920703_81cf4cf1d7_o.jpg) depicting the Italian Alpini positions on the Rotwand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.203.197 (talk) 11:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Cause of War (another)
I just read the article on proximate causes and ultimate causes, and it seems to me that the 28 June 1914 assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria was the ultimate cause, and not the proximate cause of the war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.150.196.112 (talk) 18:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi everyone, Saying that the main reason for war was industrial rivalry between Britain and Germany is at best erroneous. The British empire entered the war only because Belgium neutrality was not respected by the German army. A more commonly agreed cause is the Franco-German war of 1870 and the loss of Alsace-Lorraine which led to a strong desire for revenge within the French 3rd republic. Within the german public this war is primarily seen as a Franco-German war. Overall this article overwhelmingly understates the involvment of the French army on the western front, which was arguably the major allied power fighting Germany. The supreme allied commander in 1918 was a Frenchman for that very reason - similar to Eisenhower being the supreme allied commander in 1944-5, which reflected the US army being the major player on the western front. British contribution to the western front was enormous and with Britain, the French army would probably have not been able to contain German advance. I do not mean to play down the enormous sacrifices from the British army, especially during the battle of the Somme. But playing down French involvement on the Western front is completely inaccurate. Just look at the number of troops involved during the first years of the war, as well as casualties, and it is pretty obvious that the war was overwhelmingly franco-german, and became more internationalised from 1917 - especially after the losses suffered by the French army in Verdun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zodiarel (talk • contribs) 16:56, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
- Not so simple, I'm afraid. Violation of Belgian neutrality was only the proximate cause, not the entire one. Had Germany not begun building BBs/CCs & threatening RN superiority, it's entirely possible (likely is another issue) Britain would've stayed out. German indl growth/rivalry was another underlying reason. As to the French contribution, you're undoubtedly right, & it also influenced British strategy (late war British attacks to take the pressure off a French Army on the brink of mutiny, just for instance), but it's partly an issue of sources in English/translation... TREKphiler hit me ♠ 08:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
In Britain many commentators were expecting conflict with Germany several years before the outbreak of war. The reason for this was that germany's economy was now bigger than Britain's and in string competition.If it had not been the issue of Belgium, there would have been another issue to cause serious conflict Johncmullen1960 (talk) 10:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
- The thing is, it's never just one issue. It's a "straw that breaks the camel's back", or sometimes, a country that's determined to have war & just wants an excuse, which applied in WW1. Austria demanded concessions from Serbia she expected would be refused, only to have Serbia accede to most (all?) of them, & declared war anyhow. As noted, it's maybe not likely Britain would have stayed out absent violation of Belgian neutrality, & it may've been nothing beyond a suitable excuse, but it was by no means certain, & there was strong opinion in Britain to stay out. We shouldn't fall into the common trap of thinking things had to go as they did. TREKphiler hit me ♠ 13:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
- I recommend to read Pity of War by Nial Fergusson. He wrote if Germany did not violate Belgium neutrality, Britain would. He also wrote Britain fought for not to allow France to fall, the naval race was already over and was not a reason. And during 1914-1915 it was almost German-Franco war only on the western front. Britain truely started in 1916 on the Somme after they lost and evaculated Gallipoli. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.188.251.195 (talk) 21:32, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I Agree with that. I think the present sentence, using the verb "includes" takes this into accountJohncmullen1960 (talk) 14:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The main reason Britain entered the war was that they were a declining power trying to maintain control of the status quo. Britain was the dominant power in Europe, and the continent was in a state of relative balance of power; That is, of course, until Germany unified and began to industrialize, develop weapons, and build an army and navy. Britain felt threatened by a new power possibly displacing Britain's influence on the continent and in colonization. When Germany marched through Belgium to get to France, an old treaty to protect Belgium's sovereignty became relevant. Britain had a reason to stop German power growth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.253.29.185 (talk) 23:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
No, not really. Britain was NOT the dominant power in Euope - France was, possibly also Germany. Britain was the global power because of the Royal Navy but had a very weak army compared to the Europeans. By 1914, the naval arms race was irrelevant. Whether or not an old treaty, it was still in force and Britain was legally and morally obliged to honour it. (Kentish 28 Feb 09) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.224.85 (talk) 19:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- Dont talk rubbish, britain had not honored a whole host of treaties in the years leading up to the war. No country ever went to war against its interests to enforce a legal treaty - who is going to punish them for breaking it? The international court?? Belgium?? Utter tut —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.240.22.92 (talk) 21:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Neither Britain nor France were the dominant power in Europe at the time, their Empires were the biggest but they were scattered around the world and so was their influence and power. Germany did have overseas territories but nowhere near as many, its main strength was its massive continental army and its large central bulk (much bigger than now). Therefore i would say that Germany had become the dominant power in Europe by this time. In the world it was probably still Britain (if only just) however in Europe probably Germany. This being because it had all its power centrally and because it focused on both a strong army and navy. Were they went wrong however was creating a naval arms race with Britain, by building up a powerful navy and acting aggressively in Agadir etc they seemed to confirm to Britain that they were too dangerous an enemy to ignore. On the entente side France was suppossed to have the army while Britain had the navy to combat a threat. unfortunately the navy side worked but the Army didnt (France was driven back and Britain sent in troops.Willski72 (talk) 09:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Just a note - there is a factual inaccuracy in the beginning of the article: "In 1913, the First Balkan War was fought between the Balkan League and the fracturing Ottoman Empire." The First Balkan War actually started in October 1912, with several crucial Bulgarian advances in the winter of 1912 leading up to the peace negotiations in London. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.76.138.135 (talk) 07:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Small typographic inconsistency
At one point in the article, "ceasefire" is used, in another, "cease-fire". I am unable to make edits since the page is locked.
[edit] Brookwood Military Cemetery
I've reinstated this link as although Brookwood Military Cemetery also has the war dead from World War II it has a number of unique features and memorials symbolising areas of the conflict that may be overlooked. Apart from being the largest UK Military cemetery the war dead represent a number of former colonies and show the contribution of Indians and Muslims. Those who lost their lives in the UK itself during the Great War are noted on the Great War Memorial and the cemetery is the only one in the UK with burials of Americans from the American Expeditionary Force of WW1. In some respects it is a microcosm of participation in the conflict. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyrdlight (talk • contribs) 09:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I do not think an external link to a single cemetery is relevant for inclusion on the primary WW1 article. Thanks/wangi (talk) 18:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
- Agree with wangi, I first removed it because I thought it gave undue weight to one of thousands of cemeteries. On the British and Commonwealth side the link which exists to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission covers all cemeteries and memorials. MilborneOne (talk) 17:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
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